Last updated 07/09/2008
Fin Cans
These are the "Fin Can Kits" I sent out. There
were 6 total kits. The materials were donated by Jerry Irvine. Each kit
had two birch ply centering rings, two 1/8 " plywood fins with a
3" root edge, a 4" long 29mm engine tube and a 4.5" long,
2.6 Dia glassine body tube. The instructions were to assemble the can
using a provided diagram. The construction
consisted of through the wall fin mounting and internal fillets. Three
were done with wood glue and 3 with epoxy. Each person building a fin
can voted on how to test them.
All parts were donated by US Rockets and Jerry Irvine.
| Test |
Constructor |
Glue Used |
Notes |
Peak Load (lbs) |
| 1W |
Bill Kennedy |
Elmer's
Carpenters wood glue |
Dark glue - Very Brittle |
66.185 |
| 2W |
Mark Simpson |
Titebond
II |
Added
Basswood in fillets |
493.651 |
| 3W |
John Demar |
Wood
glue |
Looks Like Classic Standard
Building |
387.991 |
| 1E |
Nicholas Stitch |
System
3 Hardener #1, Silica |
~15 min cure, Very Brittle |
217.176 |
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Mark Simpson |
Wood glue |
Wood braces at fillets |
209.600 |
| |
Bill kenedy |
Black stuff |
|
188.916 |
| |
Bill Kenedy |
Epoxy |
|
187.192 |
| |
Jeff S |
Wood Glue |
|
193.397 |
| |
Vigra |
Wood Glue |
Foam |
233.041 |
| |
Vigra |
Wood Glue |
No Foam |
191.673 |
| |
Eric Salerno |
Epoxy |
6 oz glass at fillet |
341.287 |
Carbon Fiber / Nomex Honeycomb Comparison Test
This test was set up to contrast the strength of a carbon fiber covered Nomex honey comb material from ACP Composites. The test was performed using 1.5" x 5" samples in my small 3-point bend fixture. The test is the same as below, but the span (the distance between the rollers) is 3", vs the 2" in the test below.
The data shows that the laminate material is not as strong as the aircraft plywood in 3-point bending. You will notice that it continued to bend rather than snap, or break. This is evidenced buy looking at the graphs and also suggests that the laminate material is "tough". Another factor in choosing this material is the obvious weight reduction. I hope to receive more CF/Honeycomb samples in the future.
| Specimen |
Average Weight (Grams) |
Thickness |
Area (in^2) |
Peak Load (Lbs) |
Peak Stress (psi) |
| 1/8" 3-ply |
7.456 |
0.122" |
0.183" |
11.724 |
64.067 |
| 1/8" 3-ply |
18.274 |
99.859 |
| 1/8" 3-ply |
28.616 |
156.372 |
| 1/8" 3-ply |
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| 1/4" 5-Ply |
19.038 |
0.230" |
0.345" |
242.349 |
703.991 |
| 1/4" 5-Ply |
223.734 |
648.503 |
| 1/4" 5-Ply |
186.158 |
539.588 |
| 1/4" 5-Ply |
239.247 |
693.468 |
| 1/4" CF/Nomex |
6.736 |
0.248" |
0.372" |
44.129 |
64.234 |
| 1/4" CF/Nomex |
48.955 |
131.335 |
| 1/4" CF/Nomex |
52.402 |
140.886 |
| 1/4" CF/Nomex |
37.579 |
101.019 |
| 3/8" 7-Ply |
27.764 |
0.370" |
0.555" |
295.782 |
533.662 |
| 3/8" 7-Ply |
321.637 |
579.526 |
| 3/8" 7-Ply |
323.361 |
582.632 |
| 3/8" 7-Ply |
315.087 |
567.725 |
| 1/2" 9-Ply |
35.219 |
0.458" |
0.687" |
652.579 |
948.859 |
| 1/2" 9-Ply |
636.032 |
925.809 |
| 1/2" 9-Ply |
603.282 |
829.254 |
| 1/2" 9-Ply |
664.644 |
913.599 |
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Giant Leap Honeycomb Comparison Test
This test is of three each, 1/8" and 1/4" thick by 1.5" x 5" Giant Leap Honeycomb fin material. The samples were the same dimensions tested in the "Carbon Fiber / Nomex Honeycomb Comparison Test" above with the same span being 3.0". Remarkably, the 1/8" samples weighed virtually the same as the 1/4" samples. Samples provided by Brianc.
Fin Material 3 Point Bend Test
These are strips of fin materials provided by Greg Deputy. There were
three groups of three materials. The three materials were 1/8" balsa
wood, 4 ply 3/16 plywood, and 1/8" G10. Each of these were divided
into three groups: Bare, fiberglassed, and carbon fiber laminate. As a
comparison, the remaining samples of John Coker's materials were also
tested. The distance between the two lower rollers or "span"
was 2.00". Strain rate was 0.500 in/min. Click here to see the bend
test before the break and here for after the break.
The largest standard deviation was with the laminated balsa. This was
due to delaminating of the overlay. The tests with the lower results delaminated
sooner during the test than did the tests with the higher results.
| Specimen |
Thickness |
Width |
Area in^2 |
Peak Stress (psi) |
| Balsa Wood |
0.128 |
1.003 |
0.12838 |
680.003 |
| Balsa Wood |
0.128 |
0.973 |
0.12454 |
687.436 |
|
| Glassed Balsa |
0.147 |
0.907 |
0.13333 |
600.545 |
| Glassed Balsa |
0.147 |
0.947 |
0.13921 |
964.297 |
| Glassed Balsa |
0.152 |
1.130 |
0.17146 |
1800.477 |
|
| Carbon Fiber Balsa |
0.148 |
0.957 |
0.14164 |
1407.966 |
| Carbon Fiber Balsa |
0.154 |
1.511 |
0.23269 |
3054.266 |
| Carbon Fiber Balsa |
0.154 |
1.526 |
0.23500 |
2791.265 |
|
| 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.188 |
1.562 |
0.29366 |
5883.629 |
| 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.188 |
1.562 |
0.29366 |
5823.993 |
| 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.188 |
1.562 |
0.29366 |
6103.247 |
|
| Glassed 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.210 |
1.561 |
0.32781 |
10,040.789 |
| Glassed 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.210 |
1.561 |
0.32781 |
9283.993 |
| Glassed 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.210 |
1.561 |
0.32781 |
9768.578 |
|
| Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.209 |
1.560 |
0.32604 |
13,638.873 |
| Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.209 |
1.560 |
0.32604 |
10,861.279 |
| Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.209 |
1.560 |
0.32604 |
11,428.533 |
| Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.209 |
1.560 |
0.32604 |
12,361.835 |
|
| G10 |
0.127 |
1.507 |
0.19139 |
28,405.749 |
| G10 |
0.127 |
1.507 |
0.19456 |
27,024.524 |
| G10 |
0.127 |
1.507 |
0.19456 |
27,424.045 |
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| Carbon Fiber G10 |
0.149 |
1.530 |
0.22797 |
29,678.350 |
| Carbon Fiber G10 |
0.149 |
1.530 |
0.22797 |
30,701.242 |
| Carbon Fiber G10 |
0.149 |
1.530 |
0.22797 |
30,532.106 |
|
| JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.200 |
1.530 |
0.30600 |
9195.915 |
| JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.200 |
1.530 |
0.30600 |
8773.203 |
| JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.200 |
1.523 |
0.30460 |
9126.761 |
| JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood |
0.200 |
1.523 |
0.30460 |
9107.861 |
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| JC's G10 |
0.097 |
1.530 |
0.14841 |
19,059.115 |
| JC's G10 |
0.097 |
1.530 |
0.14841 |
19,349.028 |
| JC's G10 |
0.094 |
1.532 |
0.14401 |
16,695.050 |
| JC's G10 |
0.094 |
1.532 |
0.14401 |
18,718.793 |
John's Fin/Glue Tensile Samples (detailed
contstruction and results notes*)
| Test |
Material |
Glue Used |
Notes |
Peak Load (lbs) |
| 1-1A |
G-10 |
Bob Smith |
Picture After
Test |
503.131 |
| 1-1B |
G-10 |
Bob Smith |
Close
Up Pic |
441.942 |
| 1-1C |
G-10 |
Bob Smith |
|
508.475 |
|
| 1-2-A |
G-10 |
West Systems |
Close
Up Pic |
2379.331 |
| 1-2-B |
G-10 |
West Systems |
|
2337.961 |
| 1-2-C |
G-10 |
West Systems |
|
2322.104 |
|
| 1-3-A |
G-10 |
Aeropoxy PR2032 |
|
1937.386 |
| 1-3-B |
G-10 |
Aeropoxy PR2032 |
|
2037.357 |
| 1-3-C |
G-10 |
Aeropoxy PR2032 |
|
1662.633 |
|
| 1-4-A |
G-10 |
Aeropoxy EX6209 |
|
2574.789 |
| 1-4-B |
G-10 |
Aeropoxy EX6209 |
|
2383.984 |
| 1-4-C |
G-10 |
Aeropoxy EX6209 |
|
2239.198 |
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| 1-1-D |
5
ply |
Bob Smith |
Picture After
Test |
1016.953 |
| 1-1-E |
5 Ply |
Bob Smith |
|
1337.724 |
| 1-1-F |
5 Ply |
Bob Smith |
|
950.419 |
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| 1-2-D |
5 Ply |
West Systems |
|
986.271 |
| 1-2-E |
5 Ply |
West Systems |
|
1034.878 |
| 1-2-F |
5 Ply |
West Systems |
|
1171.047 |
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| 1-3-D |
5 Ply |
Aeropoxy PR2032 |
|
1263.091 |
| 1-3-E |
5 Ply |
Aeropoxy PR2032 |
|
977.309 |
| 1-3-F |
5 Ply |
Aeropoxy PR2032 |
|
825.455 |
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| 1-4-D |
5 Ply |
Aeropoxy EX6209 |
|
2047.869 |
| 1-4-E |
5 Ply |
Aeropoxy EX6209 |
|
1829.139 |
| 1-4-F |
5 Ply |
Aeropoxy EX6209 |
|
2337.961 |
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| 1-10-A |
Glassed 5 Ply |
West Sys 105/206 |
|
1909.807 |
| 1-10-B |
Glassed 5 Ply |
West Sys 105/206 |
Typical
Break |
1800.010 |
| 1-10-C |
Glassed 5 Ply |
West Sys 105/206 |
|
1749.851 |
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| 1-11-A |
Glassed 5 Ply |
Aeropoxy EX6209/PR2032 |
|
1933.147 |
| 1-11-B |
Glassed 5 Ply |
Aeropoxy EX6209/PR2032 |
|
2300.385 |
| 1-11-C |
Glassed 5 Ply |
Aeropoxy EX6209/PR2032 |
|
1900.843 |
*Click on the link under material. There, you will see
a picture of the test specimen. The two pieces are glued together at the
overlap. The glued area is 1.0" x 1.5". The sample here is pulled
apart. This tests the shear strength of the glue joint.
John's Fin/Glue Tensile Samples Recycled
I took several of John's samples and re-glued them on the opposite side.
The samples were flipped over lightly sanded and glued. The specimens
have the same amount of area glued but were done a little differently.
John glued whole sheets then cut them where I glued the already cut pieces.
The different construction methods explain the wider sample to sample
variation seen in the recycled samples over John's samples. The CY was
applied to both pieces before assembly. The CY actually delaminated the
fiberglass when broke. (photos)
| Test |
Material |
Glue Used |
Notes |
Peak Load (lbs) |
| R1 |
G-10 |
Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate |
|
2715.958 |
| R2 |
G-10 |
Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate |
Delamination! |
3346.816 |
| R3 |
G-10 |
Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate |
|
2685.450 |
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| R4 |
G-10 |
Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch |
Thick, good on fillets |
2401.207 |
| R5 |
G-10 |
Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch |
Thick, good on fillets |
2119.919 |
| R6 |
G-10 |
Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch |
Thick, good on fillets |
2366.401 |
|
| R7 |
G-10 |
West Systems |
2 Years Old |
2303.156 |
| R8 |
G-10 |
West Systems |
2 Years Old |
2291.224 |
| R9 |
G-10 |
West Systems |
2 Years Old |
2288.344 |
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| R10 |
5 Ply |
Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate |
|
724.449 |
| R11 |
5 Ply |
Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate |
|
1011.781 |
| R12 |
5 Ply |
Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate |
|
904.399 |
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| R13 |
5 Ply |
Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch |
Thick, good on fillets |
1093.483 |
| R14 |
5 Ply |
Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch |
Thick, good on fillets |
1160.705 |
| R15 |
5 Ply |
Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch |
Thick, good on fillets |
1024.537 |
Robert DeHate's Fin Material Test
The test samples were 3" x 5". They were made from 1/4"
aircraft plywood. Three baseline samples were tested with no modifications.
The three other samples were tested had a 1" x 3" section cut
out of the middle. The section removed was then filled with expanding
foam. The entire surfaces were then laminated with carbon fiber cloth.
The test was conducted on a three-point bend fixture. The span, or distance
between the two lower rollers, was 4.5"
| Test |
Constructor |
Glue Used |
Notes |
Peak Load (lbs) |
| Plain Aircraft Plywood |
|
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|
177.710 |
| Plain Aircraft Plywood |
|
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|
182.707 |
| Plain Aircraft Plywood |
|
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|
180.224 |
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| Foam filled/ Carbon fiber
covered |
|
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|
408.504 |
| Foam filled/ Carbon fiber
covered |
|
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395.062 |
| Foam filled/ Carbon fiber
covered |
|
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419.886 |

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