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Last updated 07/09/2008

Fin Cans

These are the "Fin Can Kits" I sent out. There were 6 total kits. The materials were donated by Jerry Irvine. Each kit had two birch ply centering rings, two 1/8 " plywood fins with a 3" root edge, a 4" long 29mm engine tube and a 4.5" long, 2.6 Dia glassine body tube. The instructions were to assemble the can using a provided diagram. The construction consisted of through the wall fin mounting and internal fillets. Three were done with wood glue and 3 with epoxy. Each person building a fin can voted on how to test them.

All parts were donated by US Rockets and Jerry Irvine.

Test Constructor Glue Used Notes Peak Load (lbs)
1W Bill Kennedy Elmer's Carpenters wood glue Dark glue - Very Brittle 66.185
2W Mark Simpson Titebond II Added Basswood in fillets  493.651
3W John Demar Wood glue Looks Like Classic Standard Building 387.991
1E Nicholas Stitch System 3 Hardener #1, Silica  ~15 min cure, Very Brittle 217.176
  Mark Simpson Wood glue Wood braces at fillets 209.600
  Bill kenedy Black stuff   188.916
  Bill Kenedy Epoxy   187.192
  Jeff S Wood Glue   193.397
  Vigra Wood Glue Foam 233.041
  Vigra Wood Glue No Foam 191.673
  Eric Salerno Epoxy 6 oz glass at fillet 341.287

Carbon Fiber / Nomex Honeycomb Comparison Test

This test was set up to contrast the strength of a carbon fiber covered Nomex honey comb material from ACP Composites. The test was performed using 1.5" x 5" samples in my small 3-point bend fixture. The test is the same as below, but the span (the distance between the rollers) is 3", vs the 2" in the test below.

The data shows that the laminate material is not as strong as the aircraft plywood in 3-point bending. You will notice that it continued to bend rather than snap, or break. This is evidenced buy looking at the graphs and also suggests that the laminate material is "tough". Another factor in choosing this material is the obvious weight reduction. I hope to receive more CF/Honeycomb samples in the future.

Specimen Average Weight (Grams) Thickness Area (in^2) Peak Load (Lbs) Peak Stress (psi)
1/8" 3-ply 7.456 0.122" 0.183" 11.724 64.067
1/8" 3-ply 18.274 99.859
1/8" 3-ply 28.616 156.372
1/8" 3-ply    
1/4" 5-Ply 19.038 0.230" 0.345" 242.349 703.991
1/4" 5-Ply 223.734 648.503
1/4" 5-Ply 186.158 539.588
1/4" 5-Ply 239.247 693.468
1/4" CF/Nomex 6.736 0.248" 0.372" 44.129 64.234
1/4" CF/Nomex 48.955 131.335
1/4" CF/Nomex 52.402 140.886
1/4" CF/Nomex 37.579 101.019
3/8" 7-Ply 27.764 0.370" 0.555" 295.782 533.662
3/8" 7-Ply 321.637 579.526
3/8" 7-Ply 323.361 582.632
3/8" 7-Ply 315.087 567.725
1/2" 9-Ply 35.219 0.458" 0.687" 652.579 948.859
1/2" 9-Ply 636.032 925.809
1/2" 9-Ply 603.282 829.254
1/2" 9-Ply 664.644 913.599
           
           

Giant Leap Honeycomb Comparison Test

This test is of three each, 1/8" and 1/4" thick by 1.5" x 5" Giant Leap Honeycomb fin material. The samples were the same dimensions tested in the "Carbon Fiber / Nomex Honeycomb Comparison Test" above with the same span being 3.0". Remarkably, the 1/8" samples weighed virtually the same as the 1/4" samples. Samples provided by Brianc.

Test # Specimen Average Weight (grams) Average Thickness (in.) Average Width (in.) Average Area (in^2) Peak Load (lbs) Peak Stress (psi)
1 1/8" honeycomb fin material 5.900 0.118" 1.500" 0.177 69.26336 41.30181
2 1/8" honeycomb fin material 64.86910 38.68151
3 1/8" honeycomb fin material 59.40277 35.42194
4 1/4" honeycomb fin material 5.966 0.243" 1.500" 0.3645 52.93634 145.22956
5 1/4" honeycomb fin material 53.31305 146.26304
6 1/4" honeycomb fin material 53.65589 147.20361
        Mean 58.90675 92.35025
        Std. Dev. 6.89292 59.05728


Fin Material 3 Point Bend Test

These are strips of fin materials provided by Greg Deputy. There were three groups of three materials. The three materials were 1/8" balsa wood, 4 ply 3/16 plywood, and 1/8" G10. Each of these were divided into three groups: Bare, fiberglassed, and carbon fiber laminate. As a comparison, the remaining samples of John Coker's materials were also tested. The distance between the two lower rollers or "span" was 2.00". Strain rate was 0.500 in/min. Click here to see the bend test before the break and here for after the break.

The largest standard deviation was with the laminated balsa. This was due to delaminating of the overlay. The tests with the lower results delaminated sooner during the test than did the tests with the higher results.

Specimen Thickness Width Area in^2 Peak Stress (psi)
Balsa Wood 0.128 1.003 0.12838 680.003
Balsa Wood 0.128 0.973 0.12454 687.436
Glassed Balsa 0.147 0.907 0.13333 600.545
Glassed Balsa 0.147 0.947 0.13921 964.297
Glassed Balsa 0.152 1.130 0.17146 1800.477
Carbon Fiber Balsa 0.148 0.957 0.14164 1407.966
Carbon Fiber Balsa 0.154 1.511 0.23269 3054.266
Carbon Fiber Balsa 0.154 1.526 0.23500 2791.265
4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.188 1.562 0.29366 5883.629
4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.188 1.562 0.29366 5823.993
4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.188 1.562 0.29366 6103.247
Glassed 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.210 1.561 0.32781 10,040.789
Glassed 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.210 1.561 0.32781 9283.993
Glassed 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.210 1.561 0.32781 9768.578
Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.209 1.560 0.32604 13,638.873
Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.209 1.560 0.32604 10,861.279
Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.209 1.560 0.32604 11,428.533
Carbon Fiber 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.209 1.560 0.32604 12,361.835
G10 0.127 1.507 0.19139 28,405.749
G10 0.127 1.507 0.19456 27,024.524
G10 0.127 1.507 0.19456 27,424.045
Carbon Fiber G10 0.149 1.530 0.22797 29,678.350
Carbon Fiber G10 0.149 1.530 0.22797 30,701.242
Carbon Fiber G10 0.149 1.530 0.22797 30,532.106
JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.200 1.530 0.30600 9195.915
JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.200 1.530 0.30600 8773.203
JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.200 1.523 0.30460 9126.761
JC's 4 ply 3/16 Plywood 0.200 1.523 0.30460 9107.861
JC's G10 0.097 1.530 0.14841 19,059.115
JC's G10 0.097 1.530 0.14841 19,349.028
JC's G10 0.094 1.532 0.14401 16,695.050
JC's G10 0.094 1.532 0.14401 18,718.793


John's Fin/Glue Tensile Samples
(detailed contstruction and results notes*)

Test Material Glue Used Notes Peak Load (lbs)
1-1A G-10 Bob Smith Picture After Test 503.131
1-1B G-10 Bob Smith Close Up Pic 441.942
1-1C G-10 Bob Smith 508.475
1-2-A G-10 West Systems Close Up Pic 2379.331
1-2-B G-10 West Systems 2337.961
1-2-C G-10 West Systems 2322.104
1-3-A G-10 Aeropoxy PR2032 1937.386
1-3-B G-10 Aeropoxy PR2032 2037.357
1-3-C G-10 Aeropoxy PR2032 1662.633
1-4-A G-10 Aeropoxy EX6209 2574.789
1-4-B G-10 Aeropoxy EX6209 2383.984
1-4-C G-10 Aeropoxy EX6209 2239.198
1-1-D 5 ply  Bob Smith Picture After Test 1016.953
1-1-E 5 Ply Bob Smith 1337.724
1-1-F 5 Ply Bob Smith 950.419
1-2-D 5 Ply West Systems 986.271
1-2-E 5 Ply West Systems 1034.878
1-2-F 5 Ply West Systems 1171.047
1-3-D 5 Ply Aeropoxy PR2032 1263.091
1-3-E 5 Ply Aeropoxy PR2032 977.309
1-3-F 5 Ply Aeropoxy PR2032 825.455
1-4-D  5 Ply Aeropoxy EX6209 2047.869
1-4-E  5 Ply Aeropoxy EX6209 1829.139
1-4-F  5 Ply Aeropoxy EX6209 2337.961
1-10-A Glassed 5 Ply West Sys 105/206 1909.807
1-10-B Glassed 5 Ply West Sys 105/206 Typical Break 1800.010
1-10-C Glassed 5 Ply West Sys 105/206 1749.851
1-11-A Glassed 5 Ply Aeropoxy EX6209/PR2032 1933.147
1-11-B Glassed 5 Ply Aeropoxy EX6209/PR2032 2300.385
1-11-C Glassed 5 Ply Aeropoxy EX6209/PR2032 1900.843
*Click on the link under material. There, you will see a picture of the test specimen. The two pieces are glued together at the overlap. The glued area is 1.0" x 1.5". The sample here is pulled apart. This tests the shear strength of the glue joint.


John's Fin/Glue Tensile Samples Recycled

I took several of John's samples and re-glued them on the opposite side. The samples were flipped over lightly sanded and glued. The specimens have the same amount of area glued but were done a little differently. John glued whole sheets then cut them where I glued the already cut pieces. The different construction methods explain the wider sample to sample variation seen in the recycled samples over John's samples. The CY was applied to both pieces before assembly. The CY actually delaminated the fiberglass when broke. (photos)

Test Material Glue Used Notes Peak Load (lbs)
R1 G-10 Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate  2715.958
R2 G-10 Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate  Delamination! 3346.816
R3 G-10 Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate  2685.450
R4 G-10 Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch Thick, good on fillets 2401.207
R5 G-10 Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch Thick, good on fillets 2119.919
R6 G-10 Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch Thick, good on fillets 2366.401
R7 G-10 West Systems 2 Years Old 2303.156
R8 G-10 West Systems 2 Years Old 2291.224
R9 G-10 West Systems 2 Years Old 2288.344
R10 5 Ply Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate  724.449
R11 5 Ply Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate  1011.781
R12 5 Ply Super Jet - Cyanoacrylate  904.399
R13 5 Ply Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch Thick, good on fillets 1093.483
R14 5 Ply Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch Thick, good on fillets 1160.705
R15 5 Ply Dexter Hysol Epoxy-Patch Thick, good on fillets 1024.537


Robert DeHate's Fin Material Test

The test samples were 3" x 5". They were made from 1/4" aircraft plywood. Three baseline samples were tested with no modifications. The three other samples were tested had a 1" x 3" section cut out of the middle. The section removed was then filled with expanding foam. The entire surfaces were then laminated with carbon fiber cloth. The test was conducted on a three-point bend fixture. The span, or distance between the two lower rollers, was 4.5"

Test Constructor Glue Used Notes Peak Load (lbs)
Plain Aircraft Plywood 177.710
Plain Aircraft Plywood 182.707
Plain Aircraft Plywood 180.224
Foam filled/ Carbon fiber covered 408.504
Foam filled/ Carbon fiber covered 395.062
Foam filled/ Carbon fiber covered 419.886

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